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post Jul 5 2007, 09:00 PM
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post Jul 6 2007, 12:46 AM
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I love Ellen!!!!!!!!!!!

And I never had a problem with Jo. I didn't mind that she was on the series. And a lot off ppl have changed there minds about her after seeing her in BUABS.

I don't like the idea of the new female regular just because they might be regulars. That's the only thing that bothers me and I think most ppl agree. Noone really cares if there hunters or love interest.

I hated Cassie! Not because she dumped Dean, but because I didn't feel like the actress could shine on screen. I did love Jess, Sarah and Madison.

I know a lot of guys also hate the idea of the new females being regulars. They have a thread at the CW forum showing a bunch of opinions why they dislike the idea.


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post Jul 6 2007, 05:08 AM
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Harsh man harsh, you didn't have to bee so rude. Ok I love Joe and Ellen ok. I love Cassie to, I love all the girls and all the guys and the show and I appresiate all that you do for us and I think people are jumping the gun on this. However, I don't think it would be so terrible if you did add girls to the show, as long as it dosen't mess with the core of the show. But shows get to be the same old after a while so some times they need a change and we should be open to it. But mabie say it a little less harsh next time;)
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post Jul 6 2007, 06:50 AM
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love the artile.. especially the

'its their vison.. not ours'

we all need to sit back and let them do their thing.

I know its so hard not to get caught up in all the chaos of this huge ordeal, but the majority of the fandom is going in to the 3rd season with all guns blazing. maybe we should just sit back, relax, & enjoy our show. without the bias opinion we are all carrying over our heads that these women are going to be a bust right from the get go.


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post Jul 6 2007, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(clynn345 @ Jul 6 2007, 08:08 AM) *

Harsh man harsh, you didn't have to bee so rude.
I was actually tuning it down (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/wink.gif)


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love the artile.. especially the

'its their vison.. not ours'
Thank you (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/innocent.gif)

And I agree. We need to sit back and let them do their thing, as you put it.


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Why was it harsh? I think it made very good points.

IMO~ I'll wait and and see on the newcomers. TPTB did get a few negative points on bringing in new people simply because of not using Ellen. It came across as she got cut out because of the new people. Maybe that isn't even so. I think the boys badly need a maternal parent influence, but maybe TPTB can bring that influence in elsewhere.

So far I've thought most everything has "worked" well on the show so I'm trusting the creators to treat us well {and hoping/praying the studios and networks don't mess with us too badly}


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post Jul 6 2007, 04:47 PM
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It wasn't harsh at all. It said things that needed to be said. This fandom needs to calm down about the new characters, and if the idea of Dean or Sam having a woman they're interested in really upsets you--the problem is you. "Fangirl" and "fanboy" are derrogatory terms for a reason. You can fantasize about a taken fictional man, too, contrary to the author's opinion. You've got serious problems if you can't. It is Kripke's story to tell. If we don't like it, we can turn the channel. Life continues. I'm looking forward to the new season very much. If it doesn't work, then it doesn't and I'll find something else. Hopefully it will, and hopefully Ruby and Bela are both bad girls. The badder the better.
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post Jul 6 2007, 09:56 PM
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"With Season 3 casting news hitting the internet, announcing that two new female characters will be added to Supernatural as possible series’ regulars, the fandom reacted immediately. (snip)reactions were almost unanimously: NO.
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But then again it may be something else. Or perhaps something more. Maybe it is not so much as Supernatural getting new characters or even new regular cast members, as it is getting two new female characters."

It is assumed that fans are upset just because the new people are female. We would be upset if they were male. It's not just the "love interest" angle that is annoying, it's the fact that Dean and Sam are the only regular characters on the show! Anything that interfers with this premise is a threat to the show that we fell in love with! This is why many of us started watching the show. It was a "buddy brother show". Not one of those cloying ensemble, teeny bopper, romance shows that fill the airwaves today!

"Almost, because there were, and are, fans who want to wait and see how the new casting plays out."

People keep saying “wait and see”..... For how much of season 3 are we supposed to “wait and see”! Let’s see they are starting to shoot sometime this month and the shows won’t air until sometime in September. So that means approximately 8 – 10 episodes will have the grusome twosome in them that we will have to suffer through if they are "love interests" and/or annoying "hot, kick ass, babes who fight better than Dean and Sam". Then we will start writing letters to complain, but they will still be shooting the eps. that have been written.....so we’re looking at possibly a good third to half the season of eps. that may suck totally with rubella and by that time you will have lost a good portion of your core fans.

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"With the relationship between Dean and Sam being the heart of Supernatural, can the series sustain one, or the two of them, being in a romantic relationship? Can fans sustain it?"

NO! That's not what this show is about. If it started out that way, then I wouldn't have watched it in the first place. I am just asking for the show to be the one I started watching in season 1. Two brothers traveling the backroads fighting evil. The occasional recurring character is fine, but no new regulars, it just doesn't work with the series premise.

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"Isn’t it possible that we, by demanding to see what we want to see, are actually the ones who interfere with Kripke’s vision? Aren’t we doing the exact same thing we’re accusing the network of doing?
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They are telling their story. Not ours.
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When you look at your television, you’ll notice the “Off” button. You don’t like what you see? Press the button. Turn it off. "

Yep, that button is there alright! And the writers can definitley tell "THEIR" story and not care about what the fans think. But, I won't even be using the "on" button until a few episodes have aired and I read what the grusome twosome have wrought in the series and how they've affected Dean and Sam's place in the show


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post Jul 7 2007, 01:15 AM
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I enjoyed your article. Even if I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, you have an interesting take on what's going on in the fandom. I would just like to point out what I think is a mistake though.

I do not think the fans hate Ellen. I read a lot of websites and LJ comms and my experience is that yes, a very vocal majority of fans hated Jo but on the other hand they loved Ellen. Probably because she was not a love interest for the boys and was not perceived as a "threat". I know a lot of fans are rooting for her return. Same goes for Missouri. She only appeared in one episode but she would be a great addition to the show IMO.

The whole Bela/Ruby debacle is to be blamed on one simple word: "HOT". That's how they were described if I recall well in the sides. I've been in various fandoms and I know for a fact that an actress better be darn good and her character spectacularly well written for fangirls to "forgive" her for being drop dead gorgeous. Sad but true.
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post Jul 7 2007, 02:22 AM
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Quite frankly, I found this article rude and, ultimately, wrong. In fact, I was so incensed that I made an account just to tell you so.

I love Bobby. I love John. I love Ellen and Jo. Not so crazy about Cassie, I admit, but I had absolutely no opinion about her until I actually saw the episode -- it was the fact that the episode was terrible that turned me off. That could have been an incredible story-arc, but they failed. They failed to make me care about the relationship, and left me going, "So what?"

We can't deal with people hurting Dean? Excuse me? I thought we wanted to cause him to angst and emo as much as possible? Or maybe that's just me.

I have nothing against female characters; I think they add an important dimension to the show.

But the fact is, when S1 ended, if someone had told me, "Okay, you have two choices. You can either kill off John Winchester, a character you love and adore, OR you can have him as a series regular, appearing in every single episode. There's no grey area, it's one or the other." I wouldn't have even paused to think about it. My response would have been immediate: kill him.

I'm not threatened by female characters. I like seeing strong women on TV. What I don't like is the idea of anyone else imposing on my SamandDean time. I watch the show for Sam, Dean and the Impala. I don't watch it for John, Ellen, Bobby or Jo. I don't want any other regulars because they would take away from the time that's spent on just Sam and Dean -- there's no way around that.

Am I hoping that Kripke can do this well? Absolutely. It's his show. He can do whatever he wants with it, it's his call, and my personal motto is "In Kripke We Trust." God knows the man hasn't led us astray yet. I'm not going to be signing any petitions or writing any letters.

But I can have an opinion. And if my opinion is that I don't want any other regular characters, it doesn't mean that I'm some shallow, petty twit who feels threatened. You vastly mis-characterize fangirls as a whole, painting them as insecure bitches who can't cope with a little estrogen. Now who's being sexist?

Also, seriously. We can't fantasize about fictional characters with significant others? ... Who made THAT rule up? Because I sure as hell haven't heard it before. It's not like their girlfriends are really going to mind.

Ultimately, while I agree that no, we don't have any say about what Kripke&Co do, and that we should let them do what they feel will make a good story without giving them too much flak about it... I find most of what you have to say offensive, mean-spirited, and blatantly wrong.

Edited to fix a typo I noticed.
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post Jul 7 2007, 10:09 PM
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But I can have an opinion.

If you can have one, why can't the author of the article?


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QUOTE(Shabnam @ Jul 7 2007, 10:09 PM) *

If you can have one, why can't the author of the article?


She's welcome to welcome new regular characters to the show. I certainly don't begrudge her that. There's no right or wrong answer there, merely a question of personal preference and point of view.

I take absolutely no offense to her welcoming of the new characters. I think it's admirable. What I DO take offense to is that in order to defend the virtue of a few fictional characters, she demeans all the women who watch the show by implying that they are sexist, shallow, and weak.

Does she have some good points? Absolutely, especially about the fact that this is ultimately Kripke's show, not ours. But her portrayal of the fans who don't want these new characters is downright offensive.

Differing opinions are fine. But to paint an huge portion of the fandom as misogynistic and woman-hating? Shame on her.
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post Jul 7 2007, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(galveston @ Jul 6 2007, 07:47 PM) *

You can fantasize about a taken fictional man, too, contrary to the author's opinion.
Contrary to what the article says. I admit that the point was made to the extreme, and was less about whether it's okay to fantasize about a taken man as it was directed to blended boundaries.

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It is assumed that fans are upset just because the new people are female. We would be upset if they were male. It's not just the "love interest" angle that is annoying, it's the fact that Dean and Sam are the only regular characters on the show! Anything that interfers with this premise is a threat to the show that we fell in love with! This is why many of us started watching the show. It was a "buddy brother show". Not one of those cloying ensemble, teeny bopper, romance shows that fill the airwaves today!
And this was one of the questions the article raised: "Perhaps the strong reaction stems from the possibility that the new additions to the show are being brought in as regular cast members, positions that only Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki held. Well, Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki and the Impala, that is. Not even Jeffrey Dean Morgan got to be a regular cast member. And he’s John Winchester. So… newcomers?"

I mainly gave possibilities and raised questions on this article. I rarely answered.

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People keep saying “wait and see”..... For how much of season 3 are we supposed to “wait and see”! Let’s see they are starting to shoot sometime this month and the shows won’t air until sometime in September. So that means approximately 8 – 10 episodes will have the grusome twosome in them that we will have to suffer through if they are "love interests" and/or annoying "hot, kick ass, babes who fight better than Dean and Sam". Then we will start writing letters to complain, but they will still be shooting the eps. that have been written.....so we’re looking at possibly a good third to half the season of eps. that may suck totally with rubella and by that time you will have lost a good portion of your core fans.
Jo was brought in as Dean's love-interest. Fans knew about it months before we actually saw her. The first time we saw her? It was clear where this was going. And yet it's like the writers played with the love-interest/sister. As I said on the article, "Everyone found what they were looking for."

In the end, did Jo being there ruined season two?

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NO! That's not what this show is about. If it started out that way, then I wouldn't have watched it in the first place. I am just asking for the show to be the one I started watching in season 1. Two brothers traveling the backroads fighting evil. The occasional recurring character is fine, but no new regulars, it just doesn't work with the series premise.
Just for the record, it did start this way. Sam was living with his girlfriend. The series started with one of the brothers being in a romantic relationship.

I want to say, as I said on the article, that we still know almost nothing about these new characters. Most of the information is based on rumors.

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Yep, that button is there alright! And the writers can definitley tell "THEIR" story and not care about what the fans think. But, I won't even be using the "on" button until a few episodes have aired and I read what the grusome twosome have wrought in the series and how they've affected Dean and Sam's place in the show
Fair enough.


QUOTE(lakadyn @ Jul 7 2007, 04:15 AM) *

I enjoyed your article. Even if I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, you have an interesting take on what's going on in the fandom.
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I do not think the fans hate Ellen. I read a lot of websites and LJ comms and my experience is that yes, a very vocal majority of fans hated Jo but on the other hand they loved Ellen. Probably because she was not a love interest for the boys and was not perceived as a "threat". I know a lot of fans are rooting for her return. Same goes for Missouri. She only appeared in one episode but she would be a great addition to the show IMO.
I don't necessarily disagree.

I don't know if we can talk about 'the fans'. I wouldn't put everyone together, and yes, I'm aware that I did it on the article more than once. I hope I'll have a chance to explain this later.

As the article mentions, this point is also based on Winchester Journals' interview with Jim Beaver. And I'd like to add the time factor. When the Roadhouse was introduced to viewers in 'Everybody Loves a Clown', how many fans looked forward to see Ellen again? I may be off here, but I think Ellen grew on fans rather than they welcomed her with open arms right from the start.

If I'm proven wrong, I'll have no problem to admit it.

You said that fans might like Ellen "Probably because she was not a love interest for the boys and was not perceived as a "threat" ", and it’s the implications that might come out of it that I don't think I like. If Ellen is ‘safe’ due to her age (and she's not old!), is it possible that it all comes down to who has the potential to become Dean/Sam love-interest?

I want to believe this isn’t the case.

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The whole Bela/Ruby debacle is to be blamed on one simple word: "HOT". That's how they were described if I recall well in the sides. I've been in various fandoms and I know for a fact that an actress better be darn good and her character spectacularly well written for fangirls to "forgive" her for being drop dead gorgeous. Sad but true.
Interesting point. And very well put. Thank you for that (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/innocent.gif)

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QUOTE(namegoeshere @ Jul 7 2007, 05:22 AM) *

Quite frankly, I found this article rude and, ultimately, wrong. In fact, I was so incensed that I made an account just to tell you so.
While I stand behind what I said, I apologize if you were offended by it. That wasn’t my intention (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/innocent.gif)

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Not so crazy about Cassie, I admit, but I had absolutely no opinion about her until I actually saw the episode -- it was the fact that the episode was terrible that turned me off. That could have been an incredible story-arc, but they failed. They failed to make me care about the relationship, and left me going, "So what?"
I agree that Cassie could have been used better.

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We can't deal with people hurting Dean? Excuse me? I thought we wanted to cause him to angst and emo as much as possible? Or maybe that's just me.
What does one have to do with the other? If Cassie hurt Dean, which added to his complex-as-it-was character and by doing so contributed to the series, does that mean that fans have to forgive her for causing this hurt?

For the record, I don't hate Cassie.

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I have nothing against female characters; I think they add an important dimension to the show.
Agreed.

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But the fact is, when S1 ended, if someone had told me, "Okay, you have two choices. You can either kill off John Winchester, a character you love and adore, OR you can have him as a series regular, appearing in every single episode. There's no grey area, it's one or the other." I wouldn't have even paused to think about it. My response would have been immediate: kill him.
Can you say the same for other fans?

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I'm not threatened by female characters. I like seeing strong women on TV. What I don't like is the idea of anyone else imposing on my SamandDean time. I watch the show for Sam, Dean and the Impala. I don't watch it for John, Ellen, Bobby or Jo. I don't want any other regulars because they would take away from the time that's spent on just Sam and Dean -- there's no way around that.
Agreed on all accounts.

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Am I hoping that Kripke can do this well? Absolutely. It's his show. He can do whatever he wants with it, it's his call, and my personal motto is "In Kripke We Trust." God knows the man hasn't led us astray yet. I'm not going to be signing any petitions or writing any letters.
We seem to agree here as well.

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But I can have an opinion. And if my opinion is that I don't want any other regular characters, it doesn't mean that I'm some shallow, petty twit who feels threatened. You vastly mis-characterize fangirls as a whole, painting them as insecure bitches who can't cope with a little estrogen. Now who's being sexist?
Where did I say all that?

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Also, seriously. We can't fantasize about fictional characters with significant others?
Sure you can. As I said on my previous post as an answer to galveston, that point was made to the extreme, and was less about whether it's okay to fantasize about a taken man as it was directed to blended boundaries.

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I find most of what you have to say offensive, mean-spirited, and blatantly wrong.
As I said in the beginning, while I stand behind what I said, I apologize if you were offended by it. That wasn’t my intention.


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I take absolutely no offense to her welcoming of the new characters. I think it's admirable. What I DO take offense to is that in order to defend the virtue of a few fictional characters, she demeans all the women who watch the show by implying that they are sexist, shallow, and weak.
Not only I don't remember saying that, I also don't remember saying what I think of this new characters.

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But her portrayal of the fans who don't want these new characters is downright offensive.

Differing opinions are fine. But to paint an huge portion of the fandom as misogynistic and woman-hating? Shame on her.
I said it to nylee and I'll say it again. I mainly gave possibilities and raised questions on this article. I rarely answered.


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post Jul 8 2007, 01:45 AM
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In the end, did Jo being there ruined season two?

Quite frankly, the whole roadie thing tarnished season 2 for me. I did not watch "No Evil" and I will never watch it. Who wants to watch a show about some twitty little character, that from everything I read, had Dean acting totally out of character; and had very little Sam in it??? I do not like Ellen. It has nothing to do with her being a "threat". I just feel that the boys kowtowed to her waaay too much and I hated the whole "oooh, let's call Ellen because we're too stupid to do this on our own this season" mentality. I hated when she jumped on Dean when Sammy was about to share about his visions. It wasn't her place to talk to Dean that way, she hadn't yet earned any respect or place in the boys lives to treat them that way. And Ash....he could have been ok if it hadn't been for the "let's have Ash do the research because he's sooo much better at it than the HEROES of our show are!" Again, had he been introduced in the beginning of the series as the "researcher" for the boys, he could have worked out fine. But, it was already established that Sam (and Dean when he chose to!) could do their own research for their hunts, just fine on their own. Ash was redundant and superfluous! The roadhouse and it's characters were jarring and introduced poorly. Had it been done much more sublty I might have bought it. But as it was, I didn't give a hoot about the people there and was glad to see them gone at the end of season 2.

Just for the record, it did started this way. Sam was living with his girlfriend. The series started with one of the brothers being in a romantic relationship.

But, Jess was also dead by the end of episode one, so it didn't start out with the premise that she would ever be a major character in the show (other than in flashbacks). I came into the show in November so I didn't know about Jess until a little later. For me, it was just a buddy/brother show when I discovered it. As I said, if she had been a living character that featured prominently in the show, I would not have stuck around to see more.

I want to say, as I said on the article, that we still know almost nothing about these new characters. Most of the information is based on rumors.

Well, let's combine what we have heard that is fact: "CW is adding two new HOT, kickass, female hunters, who are better hunters than Dean and Sam AND will make them look like the Hardy Boys as REGULARS to Supernatural!" Now if that description doesn't endear them to fans, I don't know what will (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/confused.gif)
If they're so hot, give them they're own show! Oh, that's right, apparently there was some show with 2 kickass female leads back in the early 2000's and it only lasted 13 eps.! Maybe the world isn't ready for kickass females........... (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/rolleyes.gif) Certainly they aren't necessary to THIS show. To paraphrase another fan: Supernatural already has 2 hot, kickass hunters who are regulars, DEAN and SAM!




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Who wants to watch a show about some twitty little character, that from everything I read, had Dean acting totally out of character; and had very little Sam in it???

The thing I love about Supernatural is that although Sam and Dean have certain character traits, you cannot bind them to the mould because there will be times when what they do will surprise you and that's okay...because who wants to watch a show that is predictable all the time?

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I do not like Ellen. It has nothing to do with her being a "threat". I just feel that the boys kowtowed to her waaay too much and I hated the whole "oooh, let's call Ellen because we're too stupid to do this on our own this season" mentality.


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And Ash....he could have been ok if it hadn't been for the "let's have Ash do the research because he's sooo much better at it than the HEROES of our show are!"

Beginning of S2 = Sam's laptop = dysfunctional = help from Ash.

Basically it seems that you're looking to watch a programme with no dimension. Sam and Dean fight MOTW (Thanks PQ (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/wink.gif) ) and have brotherly angst with a scattering of a few people who intersect their lives but have no meaning afterward?


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post Jul 8 2007, 02:50 AM
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Basically it seems that you're looking to watch a programme with no dimension. Sam and Dean fight MOTW (Thanks PQ (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/wink.gif) ) and have brotherly angst with a scattering of a few people who intersect their lives but have no meaning afterward?

Welcome also, listen to the commentary on Season 1 where Jensen Ackles says it was difficult for them to come in and hug someone and have them sent on their way because the'goodbye' had to have a meaning behind it - re after all the Monster Of The Week (MOTW) so in reality the people are scattered, and he does mention that on the commentaries, I mean sure, they film for one episode with them [extras, ect] but they don't stick around, ect.

And yes, I paraphrazed Jensen because I am busy and can't remember the exact quote off the top of my head but if I remember that's the jist of it (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/lol.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/smile.gif)


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Basically it seems that you're looking to watch a programme with no dimension. Sam and Dean fight MOTW (Thanks PQ (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/wink.gif) ) and have brotherly angst with a scattering of a few people who intersect their lives but have no meaning afterward?

To a great extent this is true. I've always liked the "me and thee against the world theme" in my fandom shows. However, there are/were characters that I would like to see again. I enjoyed Missouri and think it would be wonderful if she was an occasional recurring character (I'd even prefer "1-800-Call Missouri" over ellen). I liked Jerry Panowski (from "Flight"? I always forget ep. titles) who knew John and was so kind to the boys; sharing how proud John was of Sam for going to Stanford. I would have loved to have seen Caleb and Pastor Jim!! I feel that Kripke really dropped the ball by killing off these two characters without letting us get to know them better first! Both boys knew them when they were kids. Visits with C and PJ would have given us wonderful insights into the boys childhood!(And would have made me care a lot more about them being killed off by Meg!) Bobby is a great character and I always enjoy his appearances. Even another visit from Linda Blair would be good! For bad guys: Meg was deliciously evil! Gordon was a great nemesis! Dean grew quite a bit in his first run-in with him and the "good" vampires.

And I agree with Jensen about the one-time characters that you have to hug and pretend there is some meaning behind it. I find it hard to care about many of them too. It was pretty unrealistic for Sam to be interested in the one chick from "Hookman". I could see his longing for the college atmosphere, but there was no basis there for any kind of relationship with the "babe of the week". Had they left the supposed "sexual tension" out of this ep. it would have worked much better. I find it annoying that almost anytime a young woman is in an episode there has to be some contrived sexual interest between them and one of the boys. It would be far more meaningful for the women to just be people whom the guys chat with and maybe are friends with (Ala, Linda Blair). Then when there was a "relationship" ep. it might be a bit more believable because this girl was someone a little more special than just another "botw".

So yes, I prefer the boys traveling on their own; no girlfriends/malefriends, wives or little sisters/brothers in the backseat of the Impala. I don't think I'm the only one who wants it this way though. (IMG:style_emoticons/mediablvd/smile.gif)
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I think you missed and important issue and the reason I’m not anticipating having new female characters being added to the series. It isn’t because I think either the characters or the actors are going to fall in love with me, I’m not jealous or pulling a fan girl – I’m a fan of the show because to this point it’s been about good stories, a good drama and two of the best actors on TV today bringing them to life. Did I like Jared’s portrayal as much in Season 1? No. He’s grown tremendously as an actor and made me a fan in season 2, while Jensen’s work has blown me away for a while now. He’s one of my favourite actors, not because he’s good looking, or sexy, but because of his ability to bring a character to life. Pretty boys are a dime a dozen, good actors, ones that make you sit up and watch them, ones that have the potential to be great, are rare.

When the cast for leads they need to be casting for actors. They’ve got 2 good ones and it’s insulting to the fans, to the actors and the show to cast for ‘hot’ not acting talent. And when the casting sheet is for ‘beautiful’ before, smart, sassy, independent, strong, or any other criteria, they’re going for a face not talent.

Casting for women on this show is hit or miss, I loved Sarah and even going back to Wendigo girl, Hailey – they had something as actors that let a chemistry shine on the screen and you didn’t see them working at it. Cassie’s character, she was all right, but I’m not a fan of the actress, I’ve seen her in other shows and she’s beautiful, but she’s one noted with a limited range. Alona Tal – I wanted to like Jo, I love Ellen’s character, she’s a broad in the best sense of the word, but Alona, she’s beautiful, but she can’t act. I hadn’t seen her in anything else before so I thought it was just horrific casting that she was cast in the wrong role, was in over her head, and just not gelling with the character. The scenes with Jensen in No Exit were painful to watch, it seemed so obvious that he was working at it. I’ve seen workshops with amateurs who are better than she is. Madison again, she left me cold – the actress wasn’t great, she was a pretty face, the character didn’t go more than skin deep and barely that. They wasted a great urban legend for a Sammy gets laid episode.

Am I going to give the new characters a chance, yes, I did for Jo and Ellen, I fell in love with Bobby and Ellen’s characters and love having them show up. Would I want to see either Sarah or Hailey again and have either of them become regulars? In a heartbeat. They both had chemistry both character wise and actor wise. Would I have wanted to see Katherine Isabelle become a regular? Again, in a heartbeat she’s one of my favourite actresses, give her good material and she’s brilliant. Cast a Sarah Polley and have her connect with either character, great, pair them off. I don’t have a problem with either of the guys being paired off if they’ve got a good actress in the role, it doesn’t become the Supernatural sexcapades or the dating game.

Am I happy that they’re casting new characters just because they’re female no. Sex sells and coming from the network who vamps it up with the pussycats and the models, I’m distrustful that we’re going to get good acting and not just another T&A push. If I want to watch T&A, I'll turn on MTV and watch whatever bleach blonde in a pushup bra has a mindless single on the airwaves and is making her acting career sans acting talent. I turn to Supernatural because it’s one of the few shows that gives me what I like, good acting, good drama and a strong dose of humour. The creators have nailed the familial bond between brothers, they love each other, drive each other nuts and are there for each other and any additions to the cast should respect that and add to it not take away from it.
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