If this has been covered in another thread I apologize but it is likely buried within the bowels of the forum and if that's the case it's fair game for a fresh discussion.

If there had been a third season which direction would you have preferred the series to take?
What issues would you have wanted resolved? What characters would you have wanted given more prominence or more highly developed within the context of the storyline and why? Would you have wanted to see more story arcs with the '09 escapees? What about a possible return of Zack? How would you want the simmering conflict between the transgenics and the humans to evolve? What would you do with the breeding cult and how would you tie up the loose ends between it and Manticore? Is Manticore truly out of the picture or would you work it back in say through the existence of satellite facilities that operated independently of the headquarters and thus would have escaped destruction? What about Lydecker-would you bring him back? How about reintroducing an even more lethal Red Series super-soldier for Max and the others to contend with? Would you kill anybody off and why (constructive comments only please-no "I'd kill them because I hate him/her!")? Also, do you think a third season would have been sufficient to say all that the DA saga had to say or do you think more time would be required?
Well, that's enough to get started. I won't post any of my own thoughts at the moment as I want to see how the topic evolves. Feel free to add any other items to my list since everything qualifies as "converstaional fodder".

Peace. Out.

So many questions!!! I'll try to answer a few. . .

I felt like the first season it was 60%-30%-10%:Max-Logan-Everyone else. In season 2 it was 60-20-15-5:Max-Logan-Alec-etc. Personally I would've liked the third season to backoff just a bit on Max and focus more on other characters/transgenics, maybe 50-20-20-10. I liked the recurring apperances of Lydecker, Zack, Tinga, Brin, etc. I would love to see more story arcs with the '09 escapees, there's so much we still don't know. Seeing these characters develop was a lot of fun, and done much better than the FTOW formula for most episodes in season 2. I think Logan and Alec need a little more airtime (Alec more so than Logan) for season 3. More airtime for OC is always fun, but is usually just filler and doesn't move the story along.

I felt like Zack's last episode in season 2 really tied up that storyline pretty well. For TPTB to open it up again would seem like an attempt to create more questions when there are plenty out there already. I'm particulary interested in who Renfro was speaking to in french after looking at the DNA analysis of Max. The introduction of that entity would be a good cliffhanger for the end of season 3. I think season 3 should be more of a standoff between the transgenics and familiars with tactical victories along the way to setup the "war" in season 4. I think the first half of season 3 should put an end to the human-transgenic conflict. Its just that no matter what they do they're gonna rehash a lot of the X-men ideas of people and how they fear what they don't understand.

Hmmm just typing now makes me think that maybe Renfro was talking to Sandiman on the phone? Anyways, I think Manticore should stay dead. Lydecker, IIRC, among other sources confirmed the downfall of Manticore. I'm sure they can bring up abandoned satellite labs or training grounds, but an active lab would really go back on what we're led to believe. If its just one lab that's been kept running, fine. But if the whole operation is still running it might be a little fishy.

I would definitely bring Lydecker back; he has such a warped view of everything sometimes you didn't know what to expect him to say next or how he would react. The Red Series were a little creepy and I'd bring them back for a few filler episodes or to make the bad guy's henchmen actually be a threat, but personally I don't think it deserves more than 1-3 episodes.

I think in the grand scheme of things one season would be enough to tie enough storylines to conclude the series but leave enough open for fan fiction and books. I doubt Jessica Alba would've stuck around for more than 1-2 additional seasons. Its hard work with long hours filming a sci-fi series like DA, she would've gone to movies sooner or later. It would go down in history as a relatively short but very good sci-fi series instead of a good series that ended before its time. No way DA could match other infamous sci-fi's like StarTrek's 7 seasons or Stargate's 9+. I think everyone would've done things a lot differently in the last few eps if they knew they were headed towards the series finale rather than the season finale.

Wow that was long, hope this gets the discussion going

The second season ruined the Manticore sotryline pretty good. Bringing it back, like the folks in virtual DA think, would probably not have worked that well.

I think a fair bit of the season would have had to be about the siege in terminal city and the obvious animosity of humans to transgenics. Obviously greater Federal involvement would have had to happen at this point, which one could then integrate further with the breeding cult storyline.

Whiel that sotryline was annoying handled in season 2, I think it could have been done better. I mean, its no more outlandish than what the X-files folks had running about, yet there are ways of making even implausible outlandish sotryline at least interesting and threatening.

The whole Virus thing should have been dealt with post haste and written away, so that Max could finally get with Logan. Or maybe have LOgan die because of the toxins in Terminal City.

Bringing back some of the other X series, heck, even meeting Jondi would have worked, if only because one would expect as the anti-transgenic sentiment spread they would have been forced to go there.

Hmm yea Federal involvement would integrate the breeding cult storyline, also makes me wonder if Otto will ever find out how different Ames White is. It would definitely be interesting to see the interaction (and arguments) between familiars & non-familiars. If the feds get involved I don't see why they don't just bomb Terminal City to ruins, after all its only 20 city blocks.



I think Logan is too central to the show to just get killed off. I'd think OC would probably die before Logan since he's hiding out at Joshua's house and rarely heads over to Terminal City. I think the virus was lame to begin with, but once the barrier between Max & Logan is taken down the series won't last more than half a season or so. So they better come up with something good to keep them apart if they quickly wrap up the virus. I think they should keep the virus around (unless they get something better) until close to the series finale. The angst between Max & Logan was one of the key elements that made the first season so enjoyable and succesful.

Will it be OK if I'll go question-by-question?

If there had been a third season which direction would you have preferred the series to take?
I'd like to see the humans and the transgenics form an ally against the familiars, and working on a way to insure the safety of Earth.

What issues would you have wanted resolved?
Renfro. And Sandeman.

What characters would you have wanted given more prominence or more highly developed within the context of the storyline and why?
I guess that's obvious. Alec. Why? He grew as a character in season 2. And I think that, for most of us anyway, it was clear that this character had depth. It was, I think, the logical course of action.

Would you have wanted to see more story arcs with the '09 escapees?
Yes please.

What about a possible return of Zack?
Yes please.

seriously, the '09 escapees were the base for season 1 storyline. And we didn't get to see all of them. Those we did get to see didn't get, in my opinion, enough screentime. Yes, we saw them, but I would like to know more about them. And about the others that we didn't get to see. And if the '09 escapees are back, their CO is a given. Zack would have get a lot of screentime.

How would you want the simmering conflict between the transgenics and the humans to evolve?
I would want a standoff for a few episodes (1-3), that will result in peace talks between Max and Alec from the transgenics side and Clemente from the humans'.

What would you do with the breeding cult and how would you tie up the loose ends between it and Manticore?
I think that the breeding cult should have been the main enemy in season 3. The 'pure evil'.

Is Manticore truly out of the picture or would you work it back in say through the existence of satellite facilities that operated independently of the headquarters and thus would have escaped destruction?
Manticore is truly out of the picture. There's no use in dragging it back.

What about Lydecker-would you bring him back?
Yes. He was a great character.

How about reintroducing an even more lethal Red Series super-soldier for Max and the others to contend with?
I really don't know... They were good enemies, and they could work with the breeding cult, so yes, I guess I would have brought them back for a few episodes.

Would you kill anybody off and why (constructive comments only please-no "I'd kill them because I hate him/her!")?
You want me to say that I want Logan dead, right? No. Logan is good for the show. He can be used as a pressure point(?) on Max by her enemies.

Also, do you think a third season would have been sufficient to say all that the DA saga had to say or do you think more time would be required?
I think that season 3 would have only open new questions.


moderators not: please continue this discussion on the season vs. season thread

[thus the reason for the 'clean-up']



Had this been explained to me from the very beginning [in a calm and rational way], I would have left the thread open. And now that I understand why season 3 had it's own thread seperate from 1 & 2, I'm more than happy to reopen this thread.

I would have done a lot of things.
The series would have moved into a more S1-ish direction than S2, meaning that I would have the virus removed, and somehow pulled down on Max's responsibility over Terminal City.
And the solution to the virus would have been the same as I've allways said it will: Logan will get a DNA-tuneup, meaning he gets the DNA of a trannie.
I think Joshua should get a more central part in the story, and be a little more "serious". Elsewise, I'd make Max find the remaining ones of the 09 escapees, and her mother.
Lydecker would have returned, for example...

Can't write more at the moment, got a test about the medievil ages and the renaissance in like 20 mins...

Touché HowdyPez! You're quite right in that I should have given you the benefit of the doubt. Since I jabbed you in the forum it's only fitting that I dress the wound here as well and publicly apologize-I hope you will accept it. By way of explanation all I can say is that I was in a rather black mood when I penned that little missive and you caught the backblast of some displaced aggression-it was nothing personal .
If I had one suggestion it would be to incorporate the season 3 remarks from the season vs season thread into the one you just reopened.

BTW HowdyPez, congratulations on your Astros making the World Series for the first time in the franchise's history.

Peace. Out.

DA S2 is excellent!!
And i think Season 3 must concentrade on looking for their "father" Sandman and telling Max how to save the world & the transgenics..
Since S2 has given them so many clues, S3 will be complicated.

More conflicts appears and more secrets shall be found out.

And i agree to bring Lydecker back. He is so helpful and he really love his "kids".
Besides,Alec is important too though he's selfish sometimes.. he's still handsome and capble to help Max. lol


Btw, S3 has been cancelled.. is it true??
how sad...

Absolutely! And thank you. I will see what I can do about the S3 replies.

And Yes - WOOOOHOOOO ASTROS!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait until Tuesday, when they're back in town as I'll be at the game!

Bumping

I like this a lot. I'd probably do the same as Max appeared quite vunerable in season 1 and her agenda then was to search for the others and also trace her biological roots. Season 2 changed all that when Manticore collapsed and the virus planted. Now Sandeman is the main agenda because Max's DNA makeup is special. I also felt she spent more time looking after everybody else - Logan, Alec, Joshua, the nomolies and everyone else in Terminal City.

Having said that I love Joshua's naivety. I'd bring back Lydecker and Zack (somehow)!
Not sure what I'd do with Logan yet - I like the thought of him remaining 'human'.
Alec also needs to learn to have some faith in humans - probably with someone who is totally opposite to him.
I don't think Max needs to explore her special DNA until it really mattered. I think Renfro's phonecall set something off and whoever was on the other end would make an effort to keep tabs on Max one way or another.

Less Alec. He was getting his ass kicked in "Freak Nation", while Logan kicked ass. I think that's great foreshadowing for season 3.

Get rid of that virus once and for all! Destroy the breeding cult, bring back Zack and have Logan kill him. That would be fun to watch!

Less freaks.

Maybe s3 can start with Max helping the transgenics escape from prison(they would have been arrested at terminal city). Then they'd be on the loose again, kind of thing. The end of the first episode should be some kind of Max/Logan thing where Max tells Logan that she really does love him, and that she and Alec weren't together.

And a whole bunch of other stuff. Oh, and bring back Herbal and Kendra. I'd like to see how Normal reacts the next time max shows up at Jam Pony!

One thing that's never been talked about season 3 is what Max's hairstyle would be.

In season 1 she had curls, and in season 2 her hair was straight.

What about season 3? She's gotta have a different hairstyle. Let's speculate, shall we?

Shorter hair. AND I have examples:

Example no. 1
Example no. 2
Example no. 3

These pics are pretty cute, a season 3 / Max with this hairstyle would have been really nice to watch.

short is great - I'm stuck between 2 or 3 ... but then Alba looks great with almost any hairstyle

She does look great in any hairstyle, but I like No. 2

This is my first time on this forum. I definitly think that the second style would be the best for her.

Welcome to Dark Angel Board and to Media Blvd candycane82


As for the hairstyle... I went with what I liked, but check her pictures on Eyes Only. There are a few more great pictures of her where she has shorter hair, plus there are some great pictures of her, period

In general I like her more with long hair, but as long as it's not blond, I'm pretty happy with everything

This one is really smart too.

Just bumping

Is it me, or are people generally in agreement that she doesn't suit blonde hair?

I mean, she's naturally quite dark, so why not keep it like that?
I think she looks cool with dark hair, but with a tint of auburny red.
What you guys reckon?

Well I don't think she suits blonde hair.

she still looks good with blond hair, but i prefer her natural hair colour.

so what is her natural hair colour?
Is this the natural hair colour that we first saw in the beginning of Dark Angel!?
And talking of natural.......Is her hair naturally curly? Or is it straight? Or somewhere inbetween?

I was wondering, what is her actual real natural hair colour? I always assumed it was absolute black, but when I saw her with the auburn shading it made me wonder whether that might be her natural colour, or is it dyed?

I personally prefer people to always have their natural hair colour, not false looking with dyed hair, especially when it’s people dying their hair blonde. I think a natural brunette, black or dark brown colour is the best for a woman generally, but that’s just my own taste. Jessica definitely looks better with her natural dark colour in my opinion.
I loved Jessica’s hair when it was curly, she was so cute with big curly hair along with the big lips, eyes and the cutest nose. I’m getting carried away a bit here now.
Her hairstyle in Idle hands was also nice (short, straight and dark for anyone who hasn’t seen it).
I assume that as most of the time now (well, all of the time except for season one of Dark Angel and a few scenes in Honey), she always has straight hair, that it’s not naturally curly? Do you know for sure? Anyone?

On the subject of Jessica’s hair colour, there was a lot of fuss and debate about her suitability for the role of Sue Storm in Fantastic Four. Without going into all those issues to do with casting images and races etc, I’ll just say that as someone who used to read the fantastic four comics before I became a teenager, although not since then, I would rather have seen Jessica be Sue Storm with her natural brunette hair colour even though in the comics Sue Storm was very blonde. If a change in appearance can work for the Kingpin in Daredevil, it just shows that as long as the acting is good enough and the character side of it is convincing enough, then it can still work well.

When did this thread turn into Jessica Alba's hair thread? Which, btw, we actually (kind of) have

Max's Hairstyle Thread.

Awww Yeah!

I don’t think I’m supposed to be posting anything more about Jessica’s hair in this thread. It looks as if it went off topic quite a long while ago.

But just to answer the question, apparently her natural hair colour is dark brown, and there seems to be different opinions about whether it is naturally curly or straight, so I’m still not sure about that, although from what I’ve read, I would guess it’s probably straight.

Um.....well, let me see, it may well be my fault for asking!

Dude........satansnewlapdog.....Heck, you should change your name to "jessicasdroolinglapdog"
!!!
lol.

Okay guys, back to 'On the matter of season 3......'

For MY season three, familiars are exterminated by transgenics and humans (both together).
transgenics are a big familly, they become "friends" with human and help them to do a better world.
Max work in a hospital, or a labotory and find a good solution for her problem with logan . They finally can be together, but it's too easy .....

White survive and associate him self with Lidecker and do a "new manticore" with soldiers faster, stronger, than max, alec... The "war" isn't finish. All transgenics join forces for destroy manticore 2, White and Lidecker. But for that, Max have to go far away from Logan .... so they can't be together for the moment... Logan help max and all her transgenic familly but stay in Seattle (because of Eyes Only.... he can't stop) During long months, max can't see logan...
Transgenics take Lidecker (he is them prisoner) but didn't kill him too prove Lidecker
they're not the killing machin he expected when they were children in manticore. White stay hidding but is in liberty.... and continu to work for manticore 2.....
When she come back to Seattle, Max discovered that Logan and Asha (from the S1W) are working together and are really....friends.
She was really annoyed because of White and manticore 2 but now, she is really bad, sad... because she think that logan and asha are together (but it's wrong)....



I can do all the story like that but I don't know if you can understand what I'm saying....
So I'm sorry for all the mistakes (I know they're many, perhaps too many...) but I do what I can...

Say me what you think about my version of DA season 3.....

See you soon...

Claire (the french girl ! )

Firstly, claire, your english is excellent. If I could speak French that well I would be totally full of myself.

Anyway, , the idea of Manticore being reformed is rather, how should I say, a rehash of what has already gone, and it would make the audience feel as if the show was going in circles, or again that they'd run out of ideas and were milking the show.

To be honest, a new direction for the show I feel is more welcome. I would go with race relations being a recurring undertone of the season.
Added on top of that, you have Joshua, Logan, Alec, Asha and OC (did I forget anyone?) in a group.
There will be more divides created between them. Yes, the virus has to be done with, but that doesn't mean that Logan and Max's relationship should be easy. Because she is a transgenic, their relationship will become almost contraband and frowned upon by society, therefore she will be attacked by some racists on a personal level, and so, the theme of running away and hiding will be prominent, but not for the same reason.

touch vague I know, but I can't give you whole storylines, it's not my creation, so I can't give you the next story I have, you know?

Je n’parle pas Francais, mais votre Englais est tres bien, et votre Dark Angel est aussi tres bien.
(I don't speak French, but you're English is very good, and your Dark Angel is also very good).

But to cure the retrovirus, there has to be a properly detailed explanation for how it gets cured, in my opinion.

I thought the writers (Charles Eglee and Moira Dekker) had some great ideas and plans for season 3. especially with how they were going to resolve the breeding cult plot, with Max being the special one.

Also how they were going to get all the transgenics out of Terminal City and have Joshua on the loose. And they were thinking of having Logan back in the wheelchair again.

One thing I would like to see cleared up was the issue of Sandeman. I know they did have some ideas for that, but there should be some explanations about what exactly happened with him in the past and why, and of course who and where he is now. That was an issue that was also noticably missing in the books as well.

Oops, I think I should have typed- Je ne parle pas Francais.

Excuse moi.

I love Alec's character and all, but were did he learn to be such a smart ass? Dont get me wrong, i love the character, but if he was raised in the strict confines of manticore how did he get so cocky and smart assey?

I would love to see Max kill white in Season 3. And for the Joshua to find that his girlfriend is actually not dead!
And of coase for Lydecker to come back and destroy the breeding cult, Lydecker was always one of my favourite characters, even when he was the bad guy. I would love the opening epiode to be the full scale siege of Terminal City and the transgens fending the off, it would have to have a large budget to be good though.

Well, he was on the outside for different missions, so I guees he picked up on things, especially if he had to blend in.

Oh yeah i didnt think of that. Like when he learned to play the piano in a day. that made me laugh.
I wish i could do that with my drums.

first, thank you for your compliments about my english, I'm touched. And I'm sur you can speak french as well I speak english....

I've read all your ideas for the season 3, it's really interessant. For me it's difficult to know what could hapened and to explain my ideas in english it's really hard...
I like this toppic because every body see the story differently...

Do you know if we can expect a season 3 a day or is it definitivly ended???

There is so much questions in suspens... who is Sandeman, What's hapen to Lydecker, What's hapened to max, logan and the transgenics in terminal city, Who are the familiars, what they are wanted??... so many questions....

Do you know if the scenario is writting or not??

See you later

Claire

I think he faked his death to lead the breeding cult away from him so he could more easily expose and destroy them.

I agree with you, it's a good suggestion....

For me, the more difficult question is: Who is Sandeman... and where he is?...

see you later..
claire

Me personaly, and i know this is a bit strange but i believe that he is just a symbol for god/jesus, he is said to be like the creator or something, and joshua says that he is his father or something.

Meh.....I'd rather not think that God was directly responsible for Manticore.

I think it's a fairly well covered theory that Sandeman set up Mantocore in opposition to the cult that existed, they were immune to the virus or the "coming", of the meteorites and Sandeman was looking for the cure for it, so that he could save all men, rather than just allow the cult to survive and have their elite race.

Somewhere along that, I think the plan was perverted somehow and Sandeman scarpered for various reasons, and so Lydecker and the such turned it into some kind of military facility.

That was what i was going to say, Sandeman set up Manticore to fight the Breeding cult but once others gained power in manticore and it became corrupt, he left has has not been heard from since. If Lydecker was to come back he could probably explain it better.

All of you have lots af good ideas.... or lots of imagination....as you want

If only there is a season 3....

just on thing,

with all your imagination, what do you think about Max and Logan in the season 3 (together or not???)

I know peolpe will hate me for saying this but oh well. I dont think they should be together, i think that jess i mean max will find zack again and be with him, actualy people wont hate me for saying that on second thoughts.

I also hope that joshuas girl will actualy not be dead, only faked it so as to avoid attention from the breeding cult, just like old lydecker.

Well, I have no problem with keeping Max and Logan apart, and no, not because I want her with Alec I just think that with all the developments that are bond to happen, they'll just drift apart, virus or no virus.

As for Max and Zack... no. I can't even read fanfics where they are more than siblings. For me they will always be brother and sister.

Interesting... Not that I see it hapenning (White will let her live? No way!), but interesting nevertheless

Ooooohhhhh, i think they probably wont either, but i just feel that joshua should be happy, he is my favourite character, i hope (if there is a season 3 or a movie) that joshua will be more part of the story. And sketchy aswell.

I agree for Logan and Max. I think they can't be together...because of the virus or something else if virus ended...

But in fact, everybody want to see them together but if one day they are, there is nothing else to expecte for them....it's not funny.. I can't imagine them together happy, in love and without problem...


For Jushua and his girlfriend, I don't believe she's alive... White is bad and kill her without any problem and we have seen the police take her body on the TV during the episode....so......