"On the planet Messaline, in the middle of an endless war, the Doctor meets the most important woman of his life."


Hmmm.... Not sure about this one. I need to watch it again.

I did like how the ep allowed the Doctor to talk more about his past. And also the discussion about how he does fight - when necessary - yet isn't a soldier. That was actually quite thought-provoking, as the Doctor does fight on a regular basis (although never with a gun) and yet is very anti-conflict. And, obviously, he did fight in a war, and killed many people because of that...

But the whole human & Hath thing just didn't work for me. The reason why they were fighting each other just wasn't clear enough. And the source thingy was a bit of a let down. And why did the two sides just stop fighting? There were too many frayed edges and suspended belief for me. Not that I didn't enjoy it - I just found lots of holes in the episode.

And now that Jenny has gone off to look for adventure, does this mean another spin-off is in the works?

That was my thought. Another spin off

I actually really liked the ep. I think I could write off the whole change of heart as these clones were so short lived, they had been recreating and fighting for only 7 days but having no other influences. Noticed how easily the Martha Hath could be influenced. They really hadn't been designed to challenge their warring instincts, it was all programed in all of them, exactly the same, no conflict of philosophies, but at the same time they had no defenses against a change of ideas either. House of card philosophy, very easy to tumble. Remember how easily Jenny learned she had a choice about shooting the general?

Now if there is a spin off. That same concept could make Jenny a very wild card.

I adored we have more history of the Doctor. I wondered if the children he talked about were his earth children he imagined from last season when he was John Smith. Remember to the Doctor, that imagined lived life was very real part of him. I'm guessing prolly not tho. Wasn't the first companion supposed to be his grand-daughter?

That can't be it for Martha?? Honestly, sometimes, Freema, as an actress falls short for me. The whole bit of her above ground the acting really pulled me out of the story.

Donna Nobel ROCKS. I really like her the best of the companions I think. She can do the wonder thing well but she can truly offer the Doctor a very much needed smack in the head when needed.

I was very scared The Doctor was really going to shoot old general guy. Ten really can turn emotions on a dime.

Good point They were maleable, emotionally etc. I hadn't thought of it that way.


I think he's thinking of his Timelord children. His Grand-daughter was his first companion (well, the first of the TV companions... assuming he had been travelling a lot before the time of the first episode) - although, was she human? The Doctor is half human, isn't he?? I forget... Anyway, I got the impression he was thinking of children - possibly grandchildren etc - that were on Gallifrey when he destroyed it.


That's what I thought! I think she's in one more ep? Maybe she's in the end, when Billie is supposed to also return?


I'm really liking her as well. I like how she doesn't fawn over the Doctor and isn't afraid to tell him how it is, but is also surprisingly sensitive and understanding when it's needed.


I agree. A tiny part of me knew he never would - because the Doctor just doesn't. But he seemed so full of grief and anger... I began to believe he would fire the gun because of those emotions!

Yeah, I remember him being half human also, which was why he so favored Earth in the old series. I also remember the first companion being his Grand-daughter but RTD has never mentioned any of that.

I think they did mention why the humans and Hath were fighting. Though what is it was I can't remember. The two sides stopped fighting because the doctor told them they were fighting over nothing basically, and it was all based on confusion and lies (end of the episode?).

I think this was a decent episode. I liked Jenny, I thought she was cute.



I never did understand this, Martha is suppose to be a soldier. She's suppose to be a tough character, yet they have her screaming and crying at every moments notice in this new season (and Torchwood?). I think the writers have made her so different from season 3, and I love Martha.

That's what I mean - it wasn't made clear. Otherwise I'd probably remember why they were fighting.

And just because the Doctor told them to stop, they stopped? Even with the Doctor being who he is, that's unlikely. These people were ingrained with fighting - it's all they really knew. I felt it would take more than just a few words to stop them initially. Yes, the reason why their fight was futile was there - but why didn't they just open fire as soon as they saw each other? What made them stop and listen in the first place?


Martha is a doctor, not a soldier . She may have been through some tough times, and fought some tough battles, but she's still not really a soldier.

'The Doctor's Daughter is a good episode. The Doctor gain a daughter who was created as a grown-up. She died and got reborn in the same body. Why do I get this feeling that this episode is a pilot for a spin-off?