Nathan makes a move that has global repercussions; Sylar holds Claire, H.R.G., Meredith and Angela hostage at Primatech; Matt, Daphne and Ando try to rescue Hiro.

I'll be around for chat again tonight.

Creepy!

Interesting start to this episode. I was glad Peter punched out Nathan. I think Nathan's head is in the wrong place.

What does Sylar have planned? Did he kill all those people?

Poor Hiro still stuck out on the flag pole...and with a pigeon on his head!

Good guys? Bad Guys? I am not sure who is anymore.

Poor Hiro, but I am glad he is back to being his age again.

Angela is her Grandmother...I guess he does not know that.

I don't think Hiro could get off that flag pole like that.
Little Hiro and Big Hiro
Ando...what power will you have and will you like it? Will it get you killed?
Sylar is creeping me out even more
I wonder which Mommy will bite the dust.



He might not. And if he did, would he even care?

No he would not care but he would realize Claire would have a harder choice.

Ando...

ewwe

Suresh calling the kettle black
And a good kettle too.

Dang Sylar is evil.

He's beyond evil.
He's a mad, manipulative, devil.
What he did to those people is horrible.
And to Claire's birth Mommy

What power does Ando have?

Seems similar to Elle's, Ando's power that is.

Yeah Sylar is satan.

I recognized the one guy dead on the ground from the web series they had.

Well Sylar knows Angela is Grandma to Claire.
So does he know that Nathan is Daddy?

Well he would have to if he knew Angela was grandmother, since that is their connection.

Could be another son or even a hidden daughter for all he knows.

I love Hiro!!! Punching her was great!!!

Gosh, I cannot wait until Peter gets his powers back. YES!!!!!!!

over Hiro punching her in the nose

Peter has his powers back.
Dump Nathan on his @ss.

So will Sylar stay dead?

They should burn the formula.

How is dreamscape guy back?

No more Claire's mommy.

What the hell is Nathan doing? He is a traitor. Ugh, hating him now.

I hate Nathan.

So glad to hear I am not alone in hating him.

I hope Peter Kicks His Ass next time.

This volume of “Heroes” has been proven divisive among the fans. Many have been dissatisfied with the direction taken by the series, both in terms of plot and character, while others have stridently defended each and every move. It’s safe to say that the season has been relatively controversial, with some critics declaring the beginning of the end, especially after Tim Kring’s recent tirade against the fans.

Sometimes the true value of a story cannot be measured until it is complete. Sometimes the writers only seem to stray from the path. And sometimes the conclusion is just as disappointing as the rest of the journey. Unfortunately, nothing in this finale is likely to change anyone’s stance on the volume as a whole. Those who were disappointed so far will continue to be so, and those still faithful will continue to be pleased.

The finale has roughly the same qualities and drawbacks as the rest of the season. Taken on its own, it works very well and tells a satisfying story. The problems all emerge once one takes into account the rest of the season (and the rest of the series, for that matter). There are plot conveniences galore, particularly in the evolution/combination of abilities, and the writers seem convinced that the thematic underpinning of this volume was well-served. I’m not so sure.

After killing Arthur (who shouldn’t have stayed dead, based on how the regenerative powers work), Sylar doesn’t try to exploit the ready and waiting ability feeding frenzy at Pinehearst. Instead, he runs off to go play mind games with Angela, Noah, Claire, and Meredith. I can understand his desire to pay Angela back for messing with his mind, and one could argue that tossing Noah into the mix fits with their past history.

I can appreciate what was attempted. The notion that Sylar believed that he could push the more innocent Claire into cold-blooded murder demonstrated his warped sense of morality. Just by pushing Claire into a Hobson’s choice, where no outcome is favorable, Sylar absolves her of any responsibility for what she must do to survive. After all, she can’t sacrifice herself to avoid making the choice; she and Sylar both know that she’ll just regenerate and the choice will still be forced upon her. When there are no alternatives, the responsibility falls to the one who set that stage.

Which, in effect, undercuts the general premise of the season: to expose the true hero or villain underneath the everyday mask each individual wears. This wasn’t some situation that presented a natural outlet of villainous behavior; it was a constructed crucible that would have forced villainous behavior. Those are two very different things, and unless the writers were trying to expose the true mental stability of Sylar in the process, the writers dropped their own ball.

They were a bit better with Nathan, though I still believe that his conversion into villainy was unnecessarily muddled. Whatever happened to his religious experience and that set of motivations? That could have easily transformed into a desire to proliferate abilities for the “greater good”, which then could have evolved into a desire to reboot the Company under the control of the government after this most recent failure. This is par for the course this season, however: unnecessarily convoluted character motivations.

The battle at Pinehearst also dropped in a number of plot conveniences. So Mohinder is cured of his affliction by accidental swallowing of the formula? Will he now develop an ability on top of that? And Peter injects himself, and just happens to get the ability to fly? (Or was it his old ability all over again?) The worst offense, however, had to be Ando’s ability.

Ando’s ability, in concert with Daphne’s ability, made absolutely no sense. Nothing in Einstein’s theory of relativity derives a theory of superluminal time travel. In fact, Einstein explicitly states that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light! It also strains credibility beyond the breaking point to think that Ando would get an ability, figure out how it works together with Daphne’s ability, and then use it with enough precision to arrive just in time to save Hiro from a completely unnecessary death.

In short, the finale to “Villains” did little to redeem it, other than bringing this particularly disappointing chapter to a close and setting up something ostensibly better. Forcing the metahumans underground is a nice touch. It does set things up for another riff on one of the plot elements from “The 4400”, but it all comes down to execution. If Kring was sincere in his desire to avoid the mistakes of the past, “Heroes” might bounce back.

Ando was so cool in this episode- "Haven't you ever believed in anything?" Can you imagine him having said that in the first season? His power is awesome.

Tracy is annoying. She's still thinking about politics?

I am also glad that Hiro is his normal age again. Only he would try to duel with a loaf of bread.

Remind me to never call anyone Pikachu. It was very cool that Hiro punched her out.

Angela is so full of it! She gave Sylar love and guidance? Not really something to brag about.

Are all of Peter's powers back?

Will we ever find out who Sylar's parents are?

I find it odd that Nathan yelled at Peter for risking everything to save him when that is exactly what he did at the end of S4. I agree that Nathan is definitely not on the right track. I'm hoping that the end of the episode was misleading.

From what I have read about the next Volume, the end of the episode is exactly what it seems to be telling.

I hope Peter has all his powers back. I do not like that they are not to him naturally now though and that they were brought on by this formula.

I actually thought that this was one of the smarter parts of the episode. Einstein's theory does imply that if you could go faster than the speed of light than you could travel back in time. I wondered that if this was possible how could precision be possible. But seeing it in action actually made me believe that it was possible. It's true, that we know that nothing can go faster than the speed of light, but remember that science is always being proven wrong. e=mc2 was disproven several years ago, when scientists discovered that e=mc3 was the correct formula. Not to mention, that it's not possible to the extent of our knowledge for people to be able to fly, but we take that for granted on the show. There must be a certain amount of suspension of disbelief for this concept to work at all.

As for the convenience of discovering his power, that was a factor on this show from the beginning. Hiro guessed with no reason to think so that he could bend space and time. He squinted his eyes and it happened. It took a lot of doing for me to buy that.

*Feels really dumb with all this scientific talk. Never was good at Math or Science*

Now reading and writing fiction is my thing and Heroes is a sci-fi type of show. You have to learn to bend your mind to non-reality to really enjoy shows like this.